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Post by huge on Jan 7, 2010 4:11:51 GMT -5
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Post by Dennis on Jan 7, 2010 16:49:11 GMT -5
congratulations on a nice score. just a few questions
40 isn't 44 a little weak for an utg shove here with 13 bb
42 with a raise and a 3 bet here isn't this risky. with 22 you are at the very best in a race and easilt dominated by any pair
54 a litle loose utg with your stack?
63 surprised by turn bet after both player called flop bet
110 little surprised you got involved in this hand. was it a pot odds call pf
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Post by fiber on Jan 7, 2010 17:19:21 GMT -5
nice job Huge!
42) Did you feel you had some fold equity or did you know you would be getting called and just wanted to gamble?
96) Any reason why the raise instead of shove? Did you plan on calling or folding to a shove? If flatted and miss the flop are you cbetting or checking behind(or does it depend on the texture of the flop)?
139) Same as 96(except I know your calling a shove)
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Post by huge on Jan 7, 2010 17:26:56 GMT -5
congratulations on a nice score. just a few questions 40 isn't 44 a little weak for an utg shove here with 13 bb 42 with a raise and a 3 bet here isn't this risky. with 22 you are at the very best in a race and easilt dominated by any pair 54 a litle loose utg with your stack? 63 surprised by turn bet after both player called flop bet 110 little surprised you got involved in this hand. was it a pot odds call pf 40: yeah it's marginal - I guess I was thinking about game flow ... after losing a few chips with 99 and then having the blinds go up and antes kick in, I had gone in one hand from M=20 to M=9, and then I folded a full orbit and then the blinds went up again bringing my M down to 6, and I thought at that point it wouldn't look like I got super impatient as soon as my stack got low, so I thought my UTG shove would get respect - I would expect most players to fold 66,77, maybe even 88 or 99 to my shove, so with antes in play I think it's OK. But definitely marginal. 42: It wasn't a raise and 3-bet, it was a limp and a kind of weak 4x raise from the button. I had seen the limper limp weak hands before, and the raiser is a good player and I expected he had seen the same thing I had, so I didn't think he had to have much of a hand. Chris Moneymaker was at the table and had been raising almost every hand, so I think Dirk was just eager to get the chance to take control of a hand. I'm surprised he called me with KQ. 54: Hey, you know what they say - UTG is the new button. But yeah, that raise is probably spewy. 63: For whatever reason I thought there was a good chance I was ahead on the turn, but obviously I wasn't thrilled with my hand. I just wanted to see if I could get to showdown cheaply, and I was afraid that if I checked one of them would bet me off the hand. It didn't work, but I think it was worth a shot (and it turned out I was right about being ahead). 110: Yeah you commented in the Skype chat ... I don't think I have a choice. Would you really fold if the raiser had shoved? (which is effectively what he's doing) I'm getting close to 3:1 from the pot, and I would have to give him top 5% in order for that not to be a good chipEV call, and there's no way he's got that tight a range. I would have to think he's shoving 25% at least, and there I'm a 2:1 dog. I guess the other player putting in his micro stack complicates things a little, but not much - in fact it might be a good thing because of the likelihood that they each have an Ace. I can't see ever folding there with his stack size and mine - it causes me no tactical damage to lose that pot, and my hand's not terrible. I don't know - running the numbers through pokerstove it's not as clear as I had thought, but I still think it's an OK call. thanks for reviewing, and railing. |
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Post by huge on Jan 7, 2010 17:37:06 GMT -5
nice job Huge! 42) Did you feel you had some fold equity or did you know you would be getting called and just wanted to gamble? 96) Any reason why the raise instead of shove? Did you plan on calling or folding to a shove? If flatted and miss the flop are you cbetting or checking behind(or does it depend on the texture of the flop)? 139) Same as 96(except I know your calling a shove) 42: I definitely thought I had fold eq. vs a limp and a button raise. Like I said to Dennis, I'm surprised he called with KQ. 96: I know I'm a bit of a freak with this, but I was actually raise-folding. I liked my table and my ability to pick up chips, and I wouldn't want to risk being dominated if one of the blinds came over the top. I'm pretty sure neither of them had ever 3-bet. 139: Certainly shoving is an option, but if I'm going to raise-fold some weak hands, I think I have to small-raise with some strong hands and some monsters as well. If someone's got me beat it doesn't matter what I do because the chips are going in anyway ... if they're flipping with me it *probably* doesn't matter, though with exactly a low pair like 44 I might have got a fold out of him by shoving ... if they have AJ or AT or KQ, I'd love to have them reship on me, and they might fold if I shove. I think all things considered raising is a bit better than shoving here, but I don't think it matters much. thanks for the review |
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Post by shaun on Jan 15, 2010 19:06:23 GMT -5
If I am at a table with an aggressive player and they suddenly min raised a hand I would put them on a premium hand, I noticed you did this with AK and AA, I think an observant player would notice this, it worked out well this time because you were dealt the two hands close together, but could tip an opponent to the strength of your hand.
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Post by huge on Jan 15, 2010 19:34:15 GMT -5
If I am at a table with an aggressive player and they suddenly min raised a hand I would put them on a premium hand, I noticed you did this with AK and AA, I think an observant player would notice this, it worked out well this time because you were dealt the two hands close together, but could tip an opponent to the strength of your hand. Agree. I should probably be more careful about this, and given that my standard opening raise is pretty small anyway, it's very unlikely that I'm going to induce more calls or 3-bets with a min raise. I do sometimes throw in a min raise with weak hands like suited connectors, and I often go for more than my standard raise with AA or KK, so I don't think I'm too predictable, but in the end I think you're right - there's just no reason to make a min raise with AA when one's standard raise is 2.2x or 2.3x (AK I can maybe make a better case for, but it's still marginal). thanks for the comment. -huge |
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