(hand-A9s) (Position-UTG) BB(11to20) Late

[Steve]

PokerStars Game #35581031100: Tournament #229010374, $3.00+$0.30 USD Hold’em No Limit – Level XXIX (4000/8000) – 2009/11/19 17:24:02 ET
Table ‘229010374 295′ 9-max Seat #6 is the button
Seat 1: bigbamboom (142456 in chips)
Seat 2: Maugli32 (188441 in chips)
Seat 3: masterxcvt (370043 in chips)
Seat 4: MonNnNie (364952 in chips)
Seat 6: bloffern rye (320390 in chips)
Seat 7: mihel077 (149908 in chips)
Seat 8: ONEFOURDA$ (226546 in chips)
bigbamboom: posts the ante 1000
Maugli32: posts the ante 1000
masterxcvt: posts the ante 1000
MonNnNie: posts the ante 1000
bloffern rye: posts the ante 1000
mihel077: posts the ante 1000
ONEFOURDA$: posts the ante 1000
mihel077: posts small blind 4000
ONEFOURDA$: posts big blind 8000
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to bigbamboom [As 9s]
Rico-Erik is connected
Satvaldiev is connected
bigbamboom: raises 12000 to 20000
Maugli32: calls 20000
masterxcvt: folds
MonNnNie: folds
bloffern rye: folds
mihel077: folds
ONEFOURDA$: calls 12000
*** FLOP *** [9d Ad Ts]
ONEFOURDA$: checks
bigbamboom: bets 36000
Maugli32: calls 36000
ONEFOURDA$: folds
*** TURN *** [9d Ad Ts] [Td]
bigbamboom: bets 85456 and is all-in
Maugli32: calls 85456
*** RIVER *** [9d Ad Ts Td] [6h]
*** SHOW DOWN ***
bigbamboom: shows [As 9s] (two pair, Aces and Tens)
Maugli32: shows [Ac Qd] (two pair, Aces and Tens – Queen kicker)
Maugli32 collected 313912 from pot
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot 313912 | Rake 0
Board [9d Ad Ts Td 6h]
Seat 1: bigbamboom showed [As 9s] and lost with two pair, Aces and Tens
Seat 2: Maugli32 showed [Ac Qd] and won (313912) with two pair, Aces and Tens
Seat 3: masterxcvt folded before Flop (didn’t bet)
Seat 4: MonNnNie folded before Flop (didn’t bet)
Seat 6: bloffern rye (button) folded before Flop (didn’t bet)
Seat 7: mihel077 (small blind) folded before Flop
Seat 8: ONEFOURDA$ (big blind) folded on the Flop

[Bigbamboom]

First I think my mistake is preflop - I am not good enough to play hands like A9s in EP...maybe if I am better - Hubris is a big mistake. Secondly, once he calls, I never put him on a hand, so when the flop comes 2 pair and a possible flush draw, I should of shoved all in, close down action, instead when he calls 36k and the 10d comes, I think a better player FOLDS there and leaves himself with 12 BB.

It sucks to play for 5 hours and go out with a hand like that....sorry all. Rossie, thanks for the railing and advice.

[Goozfraba77]

100% agree. Fold it pre. I'm following one of the phrases that i've heard in on of the Sheets videos that he says, before make any move think for a while... "Do i really need to make this move?" You have many bigger stacks to act after you, there's no reason to get fancy with A9s UTG.

[McLucky]

The first thing I need to know is do you have any reads?
This is a very read dependent spot imo. I think the post flop play is irrelevant given your stack size.

You have just over 17bbs and if you open fold you'll have just over 14bbs once the blinds go through you. So you need to get busy soon. I see no point in raising here since you can't raise fold this short so for me it's a push or fold decision. Reasons for folding would include the two reship stacks (UTG+1) and the SB. How active have they been? What's your image? If the table seems at all tight and your image is solid I ship here all day. You only get called by premium hands if these conditions apply. If you don't have a solid image or you have reasons to believe the players behind might call you lighter you should fold. With this stack you want to be reshipping an active player to have the best chance of chipping up. But without reads I can't say whether this is likely in the next orbit.

[babiibear]

1. I don't mind opening the A9s UTG as a steal, you have an A and it is going to look very strong, so you will only get played back at when you are beat.

2. I have found that this late in low buy-in tourneys (just my experience) you can like 2.1x raise even min raise and you usually get the same thing done. Sometimes the min raise looks like you want action and have a huge hand. So in general I make my raises very small when the blinds get huge.

3. Postflop IDK if there is much you can do. If you make it smaller pre you can C-bet smaller, and depending on reads, you can maybe get away from this on the turn... If you you check and he jams it in, is he ever making a move here, you raise UTG C-bet an A flop. I don't think this guy is ever just floating you. So he either has AQ/AJ(AK shoves pre, AJ is real light also) or AA,KK (QQ is shoving KK probably too) I can't see him flatting with any other hands... there are no draws that make sense, QJ is crazy light and would have to shove flop, and TJ is even worse but sucked out. So what does that leave us with. AA, KK and AQ. If he called with KK on flop he is not going to turn it into a bluff on the turn. He will just check it down, esp when the T pairs.

So I really think you can probably check and go away on turn. It probably seems crazy, and I don't know if I would be able to do it but really, what can we put him on?? Is he flatting JJ here then calling once and turning it into a bluff? I just can't see any other hand that he has that makes sense for "average player".

That is just how I see the hand, I don't play the $4.40s so my read of random $4.40 player could be off.

[bishamonten]

I dont think you are deep enough to be playing flops with A9ss at 17 bb you are either looking to shove or reship and a9 ss isn't good enough to reship with imo so fold>shove>raise. if your position was better i could make more of a case for a shove

post flop as played i jam it any raise fold is spewy(you are playing your chips down to 10-15 bb) u are ahead of his whole range except aa(which he prob reshove pre) 10 10 kqdd is posssible but he prob folds that

[String]

You have 18 BBs to start the hand! It can rarely ever be good to raise up front with 18 BBs and A9s. You are not deep enough for this kind of play.

[trsportsman]

I agree with 18 BB you are not deep enough raise/fold this hand.

[huge]

Obv folding pre is fine. I don't hate the open but I agree with babii that going even smaller than 2.5x might be a good idea ... you're mostly just stealing with the idea that you have a tolerable hand to fall back on in case you're called. I think you should only open there if you feel like the blinds are tight and no-one else is crazy, and I don't know if I'd ever feel confident of that in a $3 buyin. Most important, if as you say you don't feel confident playing that kind of hand in that spot, then just fold.

Having said all that, once you hit the flop so hard, I don't know ... it's tempting to look at the result and say "you should have shoved", but most of the time you're not getting counterfeited on the turn, and if he's got AK/AQ/AJ you're going to gain a lot of value by betting the flop and either betting the turn or check-raising.

As played on the flop, I think the proper play is to vomit on the turn. I think I check-fold if I read villain as solid/tight, and check-call if he's crazy/loose or crafty/aggressive, but mostly I check-pray for a showdown. I don't think you accomplish much by betting other than folding out a random diamond (and a random diamond plus an Ace is calling you and freerolling).

[bishamonten]

so im bored and dont feel like starting up a session right now so ill beat a dead horse here.


Just for the record I was watching this hand take place and wanted a shove after the flop. i think the only hand you are not ahead of is 10 10 and that short i would love to get it in ahead .

you are right that most of the time i am not getting counterfeited on the turn but ak aq will stick it in there i think in a 3$ mtt aj and some random drawing hand will also. May be its a leak of mine and I am not getting max value out of it but i just cant see much post flop play.

any way the markets are slow and like i said i was bored and figured id would kick a dead horse