huge
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Post by huge on Dec 3, 2009 4:00:32 GMT -5
average stack with 35 left out of 419
was one of chip leaders until I got a little too militant in my bubble terrorism
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Post by bishamonten on Dec 3, 2009 5:26:57 GMT -5
2 tough beats late huge unlucky gg
o yeah what did you open fold with the hand before ?
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Post by huge on Dec 3, 2009 5:32:41 GMT -5
thanks yeah that was rough - just told steve I'm either going to sleep or to drink myself into oblivion
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Post by bishamonten on Dec 3, 2009 5:34:30 GMT -5
o yeah what did you open fold with the hand before ?
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Post by huge on Dec 3, 2009 5:37:34 GMT -5
oh missed your question ... A4 ... I'm playing with the idea that in spots where shoving a pretty wide range is probably profitable, that it might be better to raise-fold with a ragged ace just because it's so often dominated. I also raise-call with some big hands so I'm not telegraphing and so that people don't know exactly what I have when I make a suspicious small open.
I don't know if my theory really holds water, but I play around with it sometimes. Sucked to have to fold there though.
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Post by huge on Dec 3, 2009 5:38:32 GMT -5
ok going to sleep, after a very frustrating but mildly profitable day
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Post by bishamonten on Dec 3, 2009 5:40:12 GMT -5
ok i figured you had some ragged A just not that ragged sucks to get 3 bet right away. interesting idea kinda leveling them into thinking you are much bigger and would not be folding nice
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Post by huge on Dec 3, 2009 14:06:35 GMT -5
I think my idea is probably based on a fallacy, and I'm probably just protecting my ego ... it just feels stupid when you shove with A4 and get called and knocked out of the tournament with AT, and you think "damn it I know better than to push with Ace-rag - I would have been better off with KING-four!". So I end up thinking that maybe in those situations that K4o is actually better than A4o because villain's range involves a lot of decent Aces that dominate A4 but not K4. But the truth is ... with any normal range I can plug into PokerStove, A4o does better than K4o. I have to doctor the range pretty surgically to get K4o to win out, and then only just barely: 77+,A7s+,KQs,A9o+ ... maybe there are villains out there who are so biased towards Aces that they'll stack off with A7s and A9o but not KQo - actually they probably are out there - but they don't make up for the ones who would play a more normal range like 88+,ATs+,KTs+,QJs,AJo+,KQo, and against those players A4o is just flat out better than K4o.
So I think I need to retool, and think about whether there are any hands I should be raise-folding with in that spot, and if so, what they should be.
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Post by bishamonten on Dec 3, 2009 14:25:34 GMT -5
if i remember right you where around 20bb and i am looking to reshove or shove i hate raise folding in that spot so i would be looking for a better spot BUT if you think about it knowing that a lot of people would play the stack similarly to me a raise from early position with your stack size looks real strong and I know I would only be re raising with a tight range. so to balance out your ranges its worth sicking in a raise with ace rag once in a while for a bluff steal attempt I kinda like it but I am a spew monkey so take it with a grain of salt.
actually a raise there looks even stronger then a straight shove (reallly dont like that with a rag)now that i think about it kinda looks like you want someone to stack you
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Post by eemil on Dec 3, 2009 14:52:04 GMT -5
I was also railing from 16th to FT bubble and I was wondering your opening raises as all raise/folds made impact to your stack size. Just when I was ready to decide that it is not gonna work you opened same way the hand which turned up to be kings full and doubled up.
You played your hand pre same way which was perfect but I am not sure if open raise compared shoving is profitable way to do it. That all being said I do not have right key for it. I am nowadays leaning towards "almost shove" bet. That is someway effective tool as many of the villain stop to think what h ell is happening now and let it go this one time. Or maybe the right mode is to pick a right opponent and attack him regardless your holdings. Just bouncing ideas.
Eemil
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Post by bishamonten on Dec 3, 2009 15:05:51 GMT -5
this could be a thread all to its self "stack size play"
i guess im saying my style around 20bb is to look for a hand to re shove ie a very strong hand or to shove a mediocre hand that my play well if im called. What huge did was interesting to me since people that know my game would indeed thing i am looking to ship it over them, so any hand i raise utg would be seen as strong. although i could only do it a limited amount of time
but i wouldn't mine discussing stack size play with you huge since we have very different styles i guess
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