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Post by Steve on Nov 30, 2009 17:34:43 GMT -5
Post it here - anything and everything we talked about - your thoughts - criticisms - links etc.
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Post by Goozfraba77 on Nov 30, 2009 19:56:12 GMT -5
When i joined the meeting it was almost at half way, and didn't contributed too much (I'm Portuguese and although i understand English perfectly, i do not speak fluently (hope that change with our meetings), so i didn't want to waste everyone's time to hear some Portuguese guy choking and waiting to find the right words, but in the overall i think it went pretty well... I could hear everyone in perfect conditions, no voices overlapping, everybody who wanted to has expressed his opinion... maybe there were too many subjects and because of that some were not very detailed or were rushed (if it was supposed to be this way... sorry for my misleading).
I'm grateful to be a part of this.
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Post by shaun on Dec 1, 2009 7:00:06 GMT -5
I thought Steve did an excellent job on the first discussion, it was well planned and Steve kept the discusion moving well, I am really grateful to be part of this group and thank Steve and everyone else for their input.
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Post by eemil on Dec 1, 2009 7:59:07 GMT -5
Steve and the community, First session was a good. Next one is gonna be even better with working podcast which is excellent tool to share discussion between groups. As we discussed about important factors to be tournament winner it pretty soon started to fill up with numerous important topics. And as we go forward I think the list is gonna be even more extensive which can feel overwhelming and difficult to grasp hold of it. I did mentioned Shaun Deeds article on 2p2 called Shaun's a beginners guide to 180's . I do realize that this not championship model and not even close but I think that there one important element in it. Shaun has written down chip count objectives by blind levels. As we may argue that there is so many different factors in the game that it is not realistic to set specific target. Maybe so but those kind of things can be use as a guidance or roadmap. I started to wonder after our first chat that what if we step one level up and think how he has come these conclusions. I did realised that there is some factors which are constant or predictable in every tournament. I think Shaun has realized some of the constant factors, Number of players (MTTSNG 180) Starting stacks and total number of chips (1500 / 270000) Blinds and blind levels Prize pool and prize distribution and so on... and some predictions Number of hands played by level Number of players eliminated by level Averaga stacks Total time of the tournament etc I am pretty sure that there is much more of these factors which are a bit more hidden and which we can define way before the game even starts. And if we get good hold of these it might be something which help us build the base for championship model and add the 50 important factor to be a winner, which many of those are situation dependents, above it. This was just a something which came to my mind after the session as I was pretty pumped and couldn't sleep. Some of you might think this pretty basic but doesnt matter, from grounds up. Comments anyone, everybody?? archives1.twoplustwo.com/showflat.php?Cat=0&Number=9209807&page=0Eemil |
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Post by Goozfraba77 on Dec 1, 2009 10:21:04 GMT -5
In our first meeting the subject about how many of us and how often we review HH to find leaks in our game appeared , but one important aspect was not mentioned... HOW or the correct/accurate way (if there is one) to review HH. There's one video on PXF where Eric Rizen recorded a coaching session with PXF Subscriber Airedale05 (who happens to be on my POD), where he explains how to review HH to find leaks, i suggest everyone to take a look at that video, you will get some valuable information on that subject. I've made a little script after going through the videos but i can't find it, as soon as i know where he is, i will post here.
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Post by mclucky on Dec 2, 2009 2:34:45 GMT -5
Really not sure where to post this. Here seems as good as any. Steve - where should this go? Based on the early discussions and some fo the feedback I have a had a go at trying to put a framework together. I have attached it here for you to have a look at. Some background to this: I consider myself as an average MTT player. Many if not most of the group are probably stronger. Sure I've had some good successes but my game has stagnated a bit and I'm trying to fix it. I am used to disecting mind games like chess and backgammon and I have had some success with them. I ilke feeling in control of my destiny. However Poker has humbled me.I have found with poker that it's a fabulous balance of science and art - quite hard to pin down and not at all obvious how to get to be the best. I want to crack that which is one of the reasons I joined this group. My target is to get as good as I can possibly get - which for an old man like me is no mean feat. My background is as a management consultant. I have helped some of biggest companies in the world with all sorts of stuff like product development, marketing, technology and the like. My main focus was competence building. I came to poker late and loved it from the get go. I have abandoned consulting - very well paid but dry as a stick and now play poker full time. I am not contributing as any kind of poker authority. I might however be able to help a bit with how to structure this and make it really work for us. Be great to get some feedback from you guys. Really looking forward to working with you.... Attachments:
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Post by mclucky on Dec 2, 2009 3:30:14 GMT -5
Steve and the community, First session was a good. Next one is gonna be even better with working podcast which is excellent tool to share discussion between groups. As we discussed about important factors to be tournament winner it pretty soon started to fill up with numerous important topics. And as we go forward I think the list is gonna be even more extensive which can feel overwhelming and difficult to grasp hold of it. I did mentioned Shaun Deeds article on 2p2 called Shaun's a beginners guide to 180's . I do realize that this not championship model and not even close but I think that there one important element in it. Shaun has written down chip count objectives by blind levels. As we may argue that there is so many different factors in the game that it is not realistic to set specific target. Maybe so but those kind of things can be use as a guidance or roadmap. I started to wonder after our first chat that what if we step one level up and think how he has come these conclusions. I did realised that there is some factors which are constant or predictable in every tournament. I think Shaun has realized some of the constant factors, Number of players (MTTSNG 180) Starting stacks and total number of chips (1500 / 270000) Blinds and blind levels Prize pool and prize distribution and so on... and some predictions Number of hands played by level Number of players eliminated by level Averaga stacks Total time of the tournament etc I am pretty sure that there is much more of these factors which are a bit more hidden and which we can define way before the game even starts. And if we get good hold of these it might be something which help us build the base for championship model and add the 50 important factor to be a winner, which many of those are situation dependents, above it. This was just a something which came to my mind after the session as I was pretty pumped and couldn't sleep. Some of you might think this pretty basic but doesnt matter, from grounds up. Comments anyone, everybody?? archives1.twoplustwo.com/showflat.php?Cat=0&Number=9209807&page=0Eemil Really good read eemil - thanks for this. Agree a bit out of date but good structured thinking example. |
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Post by huge on Dec 2, 2009 5:25:50 GMT -5
In the conference call I mentioned a 2+2 article about satellite strategy by Adanthar. I wasn't sure where to post it, and wasn't aware of this thread, so I put it in the wrong place (along with some other satellite-related links). CLICK HERE for my mis-placed post about satellite resources. (And I think Steve is going to take the links and sort them at some point - thanks Steve) I looked at the $5R satellite Steve mentioned and it sure looks delicious. It doesn't really fit the profile of tournaments I play but I'm tempted to play it just for the joy of crushing it (but then I risk humiliation and depression if I play it and fail repeatedly). I would heartily second Steve's suggestion of that tournament (1PM EST on Stars - the target tournament is at 3PM but as Steve points out you can just unreg from that and take the T$) as a great tournament-bankroll builder if you're struggling to put a roll together. Also if you have any thought of some day playing big qualifiers for the WSOP or PCA or EPT but don't have much satellite experience, this would be a great way to gain satellite tactics. nice meeting some of you on Monday... |
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Post by shaun on Dec 2, 2009 5:57:05 GMT -5
I'm having a problem with the download mclucky attatched , can the other members of the group download it alright?
Thanks
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Post by huge on Dec 2, 2009 6:27:39 GMT -5
I'm having a problem with the download mclucky attatched , can the other members of the group download it alright? Thanks I wonder if you might be having trouble because it's a .docx file, meaning Word 2007. I'll try to re-attach it as a .doc file - see if that works for you... Attachments:
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Post by Steve on Dec 2, 2009 6:31:31 GMT -5
Thanks McLucky,
First - if your average - then how can I put a ranking on little old me...lol. I really appreciate your insight and stepping up to the plate to help organize all this.
We'll keep trying to organize the forum, moves posts into their righteous homes, get the factors and model set up and move forward.
After our last group call today at 4 pm EST ... we can discuss and prepare for the development of a sound project....every good project needs a consultant....
Steve
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Post by eemil on Dec 2, 2009 6:33:20 GMT -5
Got it fine. I had to enable the popup in order to download. Just printed the article but did not had change to read it yet. But I saw the title and just now realized that MrLucky is MX5 is Mark. I guess we have to somehow decide what we gonna use. Eemil aka bigTRei aka Tomi  |
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Post by huge on Dec 2, 2009 6:36:06 GMT -5
lol yeah I just changed my Skype displayed name to "huge" because people were getting confused wondering who the hell this "Laurence" guy was stalking them...
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Post by Goozfraba77 on Dec 2, 2009 6:52:14 GMT -5
I agree that with so many different names and nicknames people might be confusing so i opted to rename my skype contacts to something like what it is done in PXF (ex: Eric "Rizen" Lynch) ... so it looks like:
Tomi "Eemil" Reinilehto
Laurence "hugepoker" Hughes
...and so on.
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Post by Steve on Dec 2, 2009 7:16:46 GMT -5
On the Satellite Huge...
Not sure everyone realizes - but if you win a satellite you DO NOT have to play - you can unregister and win the $55.00 or $40.00 in profit. It goes in your account as T$. You can resell those T$ for cash at PS or other sites which puts cash back in your account.
There are obviously lots of satellites out there. What your looking for - I believe Huge mentioned - Sats with big payouts to large fields. The 55$ Sat - has about 300 players and 80-100 payouts. After 20 mins that gets down to about 200 runners and you have to come in the top half or so to cash - that's 50/50 in my book - with a 15$ for 40$ payout...I like.
Just to be clear they run from like 11 am EST to 1 pm EST at Pokerstars as 5$ Rebuy to 50 k Guarantee or something to that effect. The 1 pm EST has 9 seats added to it - so that REALLY REALLY HELPS. I think I run well in that one - maybe 50/50 in the 12:50 EST one which is much tougher based on field size (not as many donkeys) and payouts (less in the pot means less to pay out).
For those that can do it - the absolute money tourney is the 1 pm EST one.
As you commented - the Added Seats (9 seats Added) means that PS is putting in an extra $500 bucks so that makes a world of difference.
I play once or twice a week - at 1 pm EST on Stars in the 5$ rebuy - I buy in - 2x buy. Also at 12:50 EST is a SAT (but no seats added) with about 100 runners..little tougher.
I then play super tight aggressive - try and get my stack from 2k to 4k with a timely shove, solid play. Its a 5 mins blinds super turb.
I take the ADD ON always for 5$ with takes me from 4 to 5500 or somewhere in there.
If you can get to 9k YOUR GOLD and can basically sit out - maybe shoving to pairs or AK in SB.
The key is not the hands you play - but how you avoid playing at all so as not to lose any chips.
Yes, occassionally the blinds go through the roof and your sitting at a table where everyone has 5k and the blinds are 1k/2k or higher...so you have to push it all in at the right times.
It obviously is nowhere near a "real" MTT and has it own nuance to being a consistent winner.
However if you can grasp the theory of winning I think I'd describe it as easy money.
I ran off about 20 or so a month ago and will look for the HH, and maybe post a strategy HH...explaining how I play it....and see what people think.
The other builder is a FPP 10 man SNG with 70 FPPs on the line for 11$. Again if you play solid poker - and push shove at the right time (ICM) then you have a shot. You have to win - which makes it challenging - but when those dark days come and you want to play but not put any $$$ at risk - you can rattle off 3 or 4 wins in 2 hours ..... good to go.
Gooz - I'll post the skype contact list in the proper forum...and explain how to upload to skype. It list everyone as
Steve - bigbamboom - Pod 4 - Level 2 - Pokerstars = bigbamboom
or something to that effect.
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